With COVID we went from heroes—people ringing bells, wearing t-shirts—to “we don’t trust you,” almost overnight. OBGYN is already stressful, and this is just one more thing.

Pregnancy is really complicated. Most of the time when it’s good, it’s good. But when it’s bad, it’s really bad. I don’t think people understand how hard and complicated pregnancy can be.

You do the best you can and try to meet women where they are and help them where you can, be true to your own values, of course. But sometimes, it's a hard decision, and a harder decision, and that's what you get.

It's wrong to take that decision-making power away from the woman. I felt I was being complicit by just going along. It feels like what women describe when they're in an abusive relationship. Everything else is so great. There's this one thing that's really, really bad.

I initially felt like this is COVID 2.0. COVID specifically for OBGYNs or women’s healthcare providers because it was all about the words that you use.

Having you as a mentor was always great. Pelvic pain, for example, is something residents dread. I remember you saying, “These are the exciting ones. We get to use our brain, compassion, and patience.” It’s true.